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Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
Believe it or not (I can hardly believe it myself) I GOT MLAN WORKING ON Windows 7 64BIT. (SEE ATTACHMENT FOR A SCREENSHOT) Which does mean Vista 64 Bit should also work the same way. (There are still some minor glitches in playback, enough to make it not feasable for production, but I am homing in on this one)
Here is what I did to make mLan work on Windows 7 64 bit:
0. Turn off ALL Mlan devices.
1. Install Fresh Windows 7 Beta 1
2. Disable UAC (run C:\Windows\System32\UserAccountControlSettings.exe) by setting the slider to "Never Notify".
3. Reboot.
4. Download and install the mLan "Windows XP 64 Bit Driver" and save it to Downloads.
5. Unzip the contents of the zip file.
6. Run \mlan_v155\mLAN_\setup.exe from the zip file.
7. During the course of the installation, it will prompt you to reboot. Say Yes AND keep watch for a possible driver warning dialog that might popup during reboot, click Allow quickly if prompted (it's the bottom button).
8. After the reboot, Download the "Driver Signature Enforcement Overrider" from http://www.ngohq.com/home.php?page=dseo (Find the "Download" link at the bottom of the article)
8a. Set the compatibility mode for the mLanManager application (located in your startup folder under All Programs) to be compatible with Windows XP Service Pack 2
9. Run the DSEO that you downloaded. After going through the setup and license screen, Click "Enable Test Mode", then click Next.
10. Reboot again.
11. This is the tricky part: In your system tray,
a. turn ON mLan, then after a few moments
b. Turn on you Yamaha 01x (or other mLan device) and Leave it on from this point on, even between reboots, turn your speakers off though.
Dialogs will start popping up. What you are waiting for is one that says the driver wasn't loaded because it wasn't signed. And it will point you to a file located in C:\Windows\System32\Drivers\mLanBus.sys (or whereever your windows folder is installed to)
12. Once you see that popup do NOT click Close or OK, run DSEO and click "Sign a System File", then click Next. Type the full path to the file being blocked by windows: e.g. "C:\Windows\System32\Drivers\mLanBus.sys", then click OK. You will be given a message stating that the file has been signed, and you will need to reboot. At that point, click on START | RESTART.
You may get a BLUE SCREEN of DEATH, just ignore it, it's not important at this point.
13. After rebooting, start mLan again, this time, instead of mLanBus.sys being blocked by Windows, it should load it, and will start blocking C:\Windows\System32\Drivers\mLanMIDI.sys. Do the exact same thing as last time: Run DSEO, Sign the mLanMIDI.sys file, Issue a reboot, bluescreen, reboot for real.
14. After rebooting again, start mLan again, this time the final file will be: mLanStrm.sys (also in the drivers folder). You might not get the warning dialog on this one, you may just get the message in the top right hand corner stating to wait till the Found New Hardware Wizard is complete. If that happens, just run DSEO, sign the mLanStrm.sys file and reboot, bluescreen, reboot. If the file is not there, try stopping and restarting mlan until it appears.
15. On this final reboot, after logging in start mlan.
at this point mlan should start with no troubles, configure it as you have before.
I believe this technique will also work on Vista 64, but I haven't tried it yet.
A couple of things to note: There are some slight glitches with the driver in this mode, (it's jittery at times, and there is some minor crackling periodically which I don't get on the exact same machine under Windows XP)
Also, I have only tried this with a Yamaha 01X at this point. I will also try my i88X and see how that fares.
YAMAHA, ARE YOU READING THIS? Your driver already works, just make it jump through the Microsoft hoops, fix a slight wordclock glitch (and possibly a slight memory leak), and release to us a working Vista 64 and Windows 7 64 bit mlan drivers and BAM! 4 more years of happy customers! I have proof that your Windows XP 64 bit driver is like 98% working once we get past all the Microsoft blocking issues. Yamaha please contact me at nanto24 at Hotmail dot::com so I can prove to you how close you are...
I will try to post a YouTube video demonstrating mLan working on Windows 7 64 bit shortly as soon as I find a screen capture application that can capture the mLan Audio as well, I may just have to use my camcorder.
-Shawn Nanto
Intel Core2Duo,Cubase 4,Yamaha01X,i88X,WinXP 32bit,dual boot Win7-64bit Beta 1(MLAN WORKING!)
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This is a VERY IMPORTANT information that you are giving us.
THANK YOU.....
Please, inform all people if you will find a way to correct the glitches, or, anyway, if you confirm that it works...
Regards,
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Awesome stuff.
Is there any way we can get this topic pinned?
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WHOUOUOUOUOUO
super man, work on vista 64 ultimate
great news for mlan vista 64 user
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Yamaha gotta step their game up and start making those drivers...windows 7 beta download has been available for bout a year now and not even a note on their website of them working on new drivers. I got a powerful machine at home QuadCore I7 that I can expand with 24GB's of ram, but so what if there is no usable driver to support the OS.
I was real pissed to find out my $2000 PC dont work with mLan and I had to go out and buy a iMac computer just to keep my mLan setup going. If this dont improve I wont hesitate to switch to more reliable vendor.
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
Thanks for your input Shawn. Like me, you've obviously been hard at work trying to crack the 64bit mLAN driver issue in Windows. :-)
Indeed I thought I had cracked it myself a couple of months ago - and as far as playback in Cubase 5.1 64bit version, I did crack it so the XP 64 bit driver worked with Windows Vista 64 Ultimate with my Yamaha 01v96v2 and MY16-MLAN card.
I did think of posting something here, but I had only found half an answer so didn't bother on the grounds that I didn't want to build people's hopes.
So, if I get your post correctly, with the exception of a few glitches here and there, you are getting audio both in and out of your PC/DAW using the XP 64 bit driver? And you're using a Yamaha 01x?
Can you post a bit more detail on your computer spec, the DAW application, whether you're using ASIO (I am in Cubase) please as it might be relevant and offer a few more clues which might help overcome the sort of issue I'm experiencing.
Essentially I did the same as you have suggested by starting Windows with Driver Signing turned off - slightly less elegant than your method - I just pressed F8 before Windows booted and turned it off there - EVERY time :-/.
No problems with playback inside Cubase using the mLAN ASIO driver, but getting audio in to Cubase is impossible so far that way on any of my Vista 64bit systems. I used my 01v96v2 to mix down some tracks I had recorded last August at a live gig and it worked well over a period of several hours
The audio initially appears at Cubase's input mixer, but quickly distorts in a nasty way and then drops out completely - we're talking a matter of 3 or 4 seconds here. However for mixdown it does indeed work.
I have applied your method of installation this morning and have achieved exactly the same result as I did before unfortunately - i.e. audio output OK, but no usable audio input .
I haven't yet tried it in Windows 7. I have got Windows 7's latest RC installed on another machine, and I might find the same level of success as you if I have time to try later :-) Windows 7 RTM is out in a couple of weeks, and as a Microsoft Partner I will have access to it, so I may wait and install the release version on my DAW machine.
My main DAW system is based on the following: Vista 64 Ultimate SP2, Gigabyte GA-EX58-DS4 motherboard, 6GB DDR-3 RAM, Intel Core i7 920 CPU, IEEE 1394 with TI chipset.
I have a Sony Vaio laptop also with Windows Vista Ultimate 64 bit installed and the results I got with that system are identical to the results I got with my main 64 bit DAW. The vaio has 4GB RAM installed and a decent Intel Core 2 Duo CPU running at 2.8GHz
I had a similar problem with audio streaming from another system which had a MOTU Traveler (firewire) interface installed back in early 2007. It worked fine with 3GB RAM showing in Vista 64 but exhibited all sorts of nasty behaviour when trying to use the full 4GB of RAM. It turned out to be a fault in MOTU's driver and with the next driver release it was fixed.I haven't tried the mLAN driver at all on my original 64bit Vista machine which runs an Intel Core 2 Quad Core Q6600 CPU and has 4GB RAM, but as I can switch out the full 4GB relatively easily I might give it a go.
At least we know what should be possible now.
Out of interest, how much RAM do you have installed in your Windows 7 64 bit test rig?
You are right. We know the mLAN driver for XP 64 at least partially works with some devices inside Vista 64 and in Windows 7, so why Yamaha have sat on the fence for so long on providing a proper 64bit driver for Windows Vista/Windows 7 I can't imagine. I know how frustrating I've found this as a user and knowing that a 64 bit driver exists already that almost works as it should. makes it even more frustrating. Others must feel the same or worse than I do. Come on Yamaha!! PULL YOUR FINGERS OUT :-)
UPDATE 28 Jun 09
I have this morning connected my Yamaha 01v96v2 and MY16-mLAN successfully to Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit and Cubase 5 64 bit using the 64bit XP driver. It is much more usable and stable than on the three Windows Vista 64 bit machines I have tried it on previously. Very occasional audio dropouts for me - less than with Vista 64 - no noticeable crackles yet. This time I CAN get audio in as well as out. The test system is nothing particularly special: Asus PW5-DH motherboard, Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 running at 2.4GHz, 2GB RAM (I am about to try 4GB or more), 200GB HDD, Windows 7 Ultimate RC1.
I would hesitate to say that this will be successful on all 64 bit capable PCs, as in the PC world things are never quite as simple as that, but I am pretty pleased that Windows 7 seems to be more tolerant of Windows XP 64 bit mLAN drivers than Vista 64 has been for me. I have a Cubase project to finish, and I'm going to attempt it with this machine.
FURTHER UPDATE 28 June 09
I have now gone a stage further and installed Windows 7 as part of a dual boot on my Intel Core i7 machine, which is exactly the same machine where Vista 64 Ultimate and the 64 bit XP mLAN driver did not get along that well. I'm pleased to say, that with Windows 7, my 01v96v2 and MY16-mLAN card are working pretty well so far and better again than the Core 2 Duo E6600 based machine I achieved success with earlier today. I'm getting audio in and out of Cubase 5 via mLAN on this machine and no audio glitches at all so far with the same 16 track song I was testing it all with earlier
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nickm:
I used a Yamaha 01X for my test, but I also have an i88x (which I haven't tried yet).
My DAW is Cubase 4.5, however I used Sony SoundForge through ASIO for my Windows 7 audio recording test because it was the middle of the night and I didn't want to rummage through my garage for the Cubase Disks. I had no problems getting clean audio in and out, as well as a VSTi (Steinberg's The Grand 2) out through ASIO and to my 01X.
My computer is:
Intel Core2duo E6700 2.66Ghz (1066Mhz fsb) with 4GB of (Corsair DDR2) RAM running on an Intel DP965LT, I am running a nVidia GeForce 7300GT with 512Mb Ram + Shared System Memory. 1TB HDD, Dual monitors (1 flat 1 analog from the same video card.) The Video is taking up about 1.3MB of system memory.
My system is a dual boot Windows 7 RC 1 and Windows XP Professional SP3.
Thank you for validating and confirming my findings.
Maybe since the XP 64 driver is almost flawless on Windows 7, Yamaha can release a Windows 7 64 bit version more quickly.
Yamaha, hello, are you there?
Is anybody listening? oh, oh
There's no reply at all - Genesis
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Thank you Shawn for taking the time to make your discovery and for taking care to document it. I had been half way there already, but you sorted the final steps for me to get it working. Very much appreciated. As some of us say here in the UK 'I'm dead chuffed'! :-)
I can now use my 01v96v2 as an audio interface and control surface in Cubase with much more memory at my disposal than previously under Windows XP.
I've emailed a guy that helped me out a few months ago at Yamaha UK Tech Support to whom I'd made a driver enquiry about Vista 64, to point out this thread, and I've also posted in alt.steinberg.cubase referencing this thread.
I've been working on a 19 minute piece of prog rock material a friend of mine wants some guitar parts adding to this afternoon for about 4 hours using Windows 7 64 bit , my 01v96v2/MY16-mLAN card and my i7 based system. I haven't had it drop out on me once, and I've been layering lots of guitar tracks in an attempt to find some ideas and bits that can be used, so I'm a very happy bunny :-)
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Well not tested yet on my side because I need to install Seven64 after I make a little space on my HDD.
But what I read is really great news and as MY16mlan work also as 01x do I see no objective reason the i88x to refuse operating under Seven64.
Thank you so much for your contribution, last weeks I was resigned to keep all my stuff with XP64 for coming years...
Now I see a nice future to my 01x+i88x+DigimaxFS setup
Next step for me is to build a Corei7 WinSeven64 DAW with plenty of DDR3 (at least 6GB but maybe 12), Sonar8 and Kontakt 3.5 64 bits....
No more compromise on realtime sampled Vsti's.
I'll keep my Core 2 duo 64bits laptop for recording sessions.
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What version of W7 64bit do you use? Home/Pro/Ult? Starter? I sure hope Home Premium will be enough to cover this.
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Right now, I'm using Windows 7 Ultimate, however I would be VERY surprised if the drivers didn't work on even the most basic version of Windows 7.
The usual differences between Windows versions is just the software that is included with them and maybe some changes in the way users/groups/sharing/permissions is handled.
Time will tell though. Once the other versions become available, we can all test.
YAMAHA:
Here is how to code sign your drivers:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/winlogo/drvsign/kmsigning.mspx
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I'm currently using the pre release version of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit RC1.
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this is some good news, I will try this at home on Win7 intel I7 cpu and gigabyte x58 extreme motehrboard.
do you gentlemen care to share what brand/type of firewire card you are using ?
do I need to perform that trick still or it should work no problem ?
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My firewire is:
Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
Hope that helps you!
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Thank you for taking the time to post your elaborate reports on how to get the drivers working on Vista 64 and W7-64, gentlemen, I appreciate it very much.
I would consider it extremely rude of Yamaha to simply ignore this post, ESPECIALLY since Yamaha ought to have done this research!
So far all we see is Yamaha giving their customers the silent treat.
At the moment I am working with Vista Ultimate 64 without Mlan, but the moment W7 becomes available I plan to buy a license and get Mlan working in that environment.
Let's hope Yamaha does the decent thing and comes forward with a reaction, and hopefully updated drivers.
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Texas Instruments IEEE1394 firewire interface here too.
And in case it wasn't clear, yes you do need to follow Shawn's instructions to get it all to work
BTW - I had a bit of an email based discusssion with the guy I mentioned in an earlier post from Yamaha UK, and he had forwarded my email pointing to this thread to Yamaha's R&D team, who were aware of it anyway. Don't read anything into that. It just means they are aware, not that anything is necessarily in development. The guy probably isn't at liberty to discuss any developments on the 64 bit mLAN driver situation, and indeed he didn't, but at least Yamaha do appear to be listening, which is a good thing.
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I've spent a couple of hours trying to get this workaround to work on my Vista 64 system.
I've tried to follow your instructions to the T.
All goes well, but when I get to the part where I turn on MLAN and turn on my O1X, nothing happens. I get a tone indicating that the computer senses the device has been connected, but no dialog screens appear. I've tried changing the firewire port.
I am running my Quad core machine as dual drive/dual boot. I can boot off the XP drive (32 bit) and MLAN works fine there. I just can't get your technique to work by booting in with the Vista 64 drive and OS. Any ideas anyone?
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Hello!
I followed your instructions as well, i am now at the point that "mlanstrm.sys" should appear... how many times shall i try to re-start the mlan-installer? I did it like 10 times, no file appeared. I'll try another 10 times, then I should buy a new mixer 
Thanks for this great discovery and tutorial anyway!
Greetings
basti
ps.: i am using windows 7 rc1 ultimate with german language pack, connecting 01x to core2 duo with TI firewire-pci-card
EDIT: ok, after some weird driver-deleting & reinstalling action it suddenly appears to work. it took this steps:
1.following the guid from the first post
2.after hanging at the last pop-up-window i went to system control and deinstalled the drivers there
3. i signed all the .sys-files under Program/mlan/ an restarted
4. i re-installed the driver by manually choosing the right locations for the mlan-bus and mlan-midi
5. i switchted mlan on, and after some device-manager-blinking and restarting all worked out
sorry for my bad english
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Hi Shawn,
Thanks for the instructions. Have you hooked up your i88X yet? If so, anything to add to the instructions (I have an 01X and i88X) that might help my when I try this?
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I've tried the installation procedure on a Sony Vaio with T8100 core 2 duo on Windows 7 RC 64 bits.
When booting 7, I use the F8 menu and disable the control of unsigned drivers.
Then I've followed the recommendations.
Mlanbus.sys and Mlanmidi.sys both install in one pass and then I've signed them with the dseo tool.
But mlanstrm.sys never install...
I can start mlan and see 01x and i88x in Graphic patchbay even if connection GUI in Graphic patchbay is defficient.
Anyway I managed to load a config with many audio and midi connected in Graphic patchbay
Under Sonar 8 64 bits I have lots of glitches, dropouts and it is not possible to use it.
Seems like the communication on the 1394 bus is very hard.
Besides midi connections are not there and so not appearing in DAW even if present in Graphic patchbay.
Means no way to use studio manager...I've tried any setup (low, middle or high) and not improving anything.
It is also not a question of Asio latency.
Well could you tell me what kind of optimisation I can make to improve the situation until I can use it (if possible) ?
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Uhm...
as far as I understand, there are really good news ... BUT .... anyway probably we get a configuration not really reliable...
Uhm..... YAMAHA please!!!!!!!!!!!
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Steak: I have a Vaio too, but with a Core 2 Duo T9550 CPU. I haven't yet tried Win 7 on it. For some reason Sony tend to supply laptops with 4200rpm drives. Most manufacturers put 5400rpm drives in laptops and some put 7200 rpm drives in. This one had a large capacity 400rpm drive, but I swapped it out for one with a faster rotational speed. It was already responsive having 4GB RAM and a decent CPU, but a slow hard drive certainly will have a negative impact. rather than mucking about having to press F8 at boot time every time, putting Windows 7 in test mode is much more user friendly :-)
I had a problem with mlanstrm.sys on one of the installs I did so what I did was to extract the file from the mLAN driver CAB file and move it to the same location as the others and sign it. Seemed to work OK.
MIDI connections are there via both my mLAN card and the 01v96v2's USB connection. I had to load the 64 bit Yamaha USB driver. Cubase interacts dynamically with the 01v96's motorised faders but outside Cubase Yamaha Studio Manager refuses to see the 01v96v2 - this has to be down to the USB driver as it did this in XP as well, except with the earlier USB drivers which I can't find anywhere on line now.
Your problem might be due to the IEEE1394 interface in your Sony Vaio. Should be OK... BUT... my Vaio has a RICOH interface on-board rather than the more standard TI chipset version, and yours may do too. You could try a Firewire PC card or PC Express card in your laptop which does have a TI chipset. Often the sort of behaviour you describe (glitches) can be due to graphics drivers. You don't say what kind of graphics RAM your laptop uses - shared system RAM can also lead to the type of sysmptom you're seeing. 4GB RAM might help. Reducing the colour bit depth on your screen to 16 bit might help - if your software will still run (Cubase complains if you reduce the bit depth to 16 bit). Turn off stuff like anti-virus and networking. Maybe adjust processor scheduling for background services (System Properties/Advanced/Advanced). Turn off all the Windows Visual effects. Stop unnecessary programs starting with Windows. Very much along the lines of what's always been recommended. Stop unnecessary services. Ensure your laptop's power plan is set to Maximum Performance. Ensure that in Device Manager any options to shut down devices to save power for things like USB interfaces or IEEE1394 are unticked
Whilst the mLAN driver works really well for me on my i7 desktop system, I did see occasional glitches on the lower spec dual core E6600 system I also installed W7 on - not terrible by any means and definitely usable, so maybe it is the nature of the way the XP 64 bit driver works in Windows 7 that makes it less efficient than it could be. The i7 being significantly more powerful than an E6600 probably absorbs any noticeable performance problems. Bottom line is that the XP64 driver almost certainly won't be as efficient in Vista or Windows as one specifically designed for those OS's. It possibly/probably won't work on all 64 bit systems - too many potential combinations of hardware but being completely selfish, I'm just glad it works on my main system - and very well.
Musicalrx: I could not get the XP 64 mLAN driver to give me usable results in Vista 64 on several machines. Playback from Cubase could be made to work reasonably well, but I tried several things and still could not get audio into Cubase from the 01v96v2. Windows 7 does seem much easier with this driver. I think you might find success with Windows 7 where you're failing at the moment with Vista 64 - but I would not recommend that you try it on your main system drive in case it doesn't work in Windows 7 for you either - try it on a spare drive or at least a separate partition so you don't mes up an otherwise perfectly good system. I must admit I was very pleasantly surprised to find that the XP driver works much better for me in Windows 7 than it did in Vista 64
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I'm having problems with step 14.
The Streamdriver does not appear in the driver directory.
DSEO says I signed it succesfully, but how can that be when I can't see the file itself?
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So out of frustration I called the number on this site 1 (800) 752-2780 asking for a rough date of windows 7 drivers.
I was told they dont know when it will be released and they are not working on it yet since windows 7 hasnt been released.
Which is 100% bullshit because beta 7 has been out for about a year now. Most computer hardware companies have had drivers for a while now too.
So If windows 7 is not out yet how can some of us have it running on our machines. Being a fully functional windows and with drivers for the components such as sound card, video card.
At the end of converstation I was told "Good Luck" my answer to that is [censored] you yamaha.
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I've been playing around with Win 7 most of the day and managed to finally get 64bit working OK. I had the same problem as many other with the mLanStrm.sys file not being copied to the drivers folder, but I think I have an answer:
- Install the drivers as normal with your mLan device off
- After the first reboot press F8 when booting up and select the option to disable signature enforcement, that will allow the drivers to install/load without a signature
- Continue as before, signing the drivers, etc.
I found a useful article earlier (someone else may have already posted, but I haven't spotted it) for signing your own drivers - http://www.minasi.com/newsletters/nws0903.htm, under the heading 'Solving 64-Bit Windows' "I Only Want Signed Drivers!" Tantrums'. This should remove the need to sign the drivers using DSEO, but I haven't had chance to test it yet...
Also, I might have managed to make it work on 32bit Windows 7 as well... Only annoyance is that I had to roll back to using v1.55 of the drivers. If you use the F8 - disable signature enforcement method it will definately allow the drivers to install. I haven't tested it much since installing, so I can't guarantee there are no issues, but I'm sure others will let us all know! I'm going to have another go at v1.63 drivers, so I'll post if I have any luck...
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Hi,
is the system working without glitches?
I mean: it is "really" stable (Win7 64 bit)???
Thanks.
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I did the Windows 7 64bit thingie.
Once I got all the drivers installed and run the Graphic Patchbay I had one missing machine, my Motif XS with its mlan16e2 card. But, V1.5.5 drivers don't include the mlan16e2, so....
no mlan for me in Windows 7 
Well, in fact I can't run my Midisport 4x4 midi interface, it has no drivers either.
It's a pity since I started to like the looks of W7. :/
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My Windows 7 system running 64 bit RC1 with my 01v96v2 and MY16-mLAN card runs without any glitches. I'm surprised to be honest, but very pleased. The PC is pretty powerful being based on an Intel i7 920 chip and with 6GB RAM. A lower spec dual core Intel PC is also fine. My dual core Vaio laptop is OK too running 64 bit Windows 7 - but because of its slower HDD can be prone to the odd glitch when playing back. A proper optimised mLAN driver made for Windows 7 will probably be more efficient. So in answer to your question, if your PC has enough power and you can get the driver to work, you have a good chance of having a really stable experience IMO. I can't give you any guarantees though as I'm sure you'll understand.
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hi
i got it running with windows 7. no audio gitches very stable!
greets chroos
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Good stuff :-)
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Ok I am trying to sign the drivers, and modify the cab files to ease installation. I have my certificate file already and am going to sign the drivers. I am looking to get this finished up tomorrow, and wondered if i need to sign all of the files in the mlan driver zip file, or just the mlanbus.sys, mlanmidi.sys and mlanstrm.sys files that are contained in the disk1 folder and data1.cab file? Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.
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Signed the drivers and modified the cab files with the signed versions, but that wouldnt work. I guess its not as simple as sign drivers, makecab and install. I used the method Snanto used and was able to get the drivers loaded.
No audio glitches on playback here. I had issues with getting midi from the 01x back to the DAW. Using FL Studio, the DAW would control the faders and track strip on the 01x, but moving something on the 01x would not control the DAW.
I also could not connect midi or clock in the graphic patchbay. The clock defaulted correctly when i clicked single master and put the computer as master and 01x and i88x as slaves. I had to go to list mode to connect the midi connections instead of using the graphic display. I am using an 01x and i88x, and my amp is hooked up to the i88x, so audio was coming out of the i88x. No audio glitches running some pretty large projects in FL Studio, which is very promising.
Computer is an Intel Core 2 Quad with 8 gigs ram. Firewire built in to board uses a Texas Inst. chip.
This same computer runs this setup fine with XP Home Edition and Vista 32bit.
So close, but not quite there yet I guess.
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do u get midi glitches after some minutes?
i tested now with some fw cards und settings..
i always get midi glitch after some time.
when this happens, i get "DBC Error" in mlan driver setup.
the audio is very very stable, but midi makes lots of problems.
can you confirm that?
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so... i figured out my midi errors came from an conflict with my network adapter... disabling it, did the job.
while testing i figured ou a nice way to install everything:
1. install mlantools
2. download that driver sign tool
or (in my case)
get signed drivers
3. overwrite driver in Programms/mlantools with signed driver or sign the drivers inside
4. start mlantools
5. finished - no reboots, bluescreens or something else
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I did not get any midi errors or glitches at all. I just could not get the 01x to communicate with the DAW. The DAW would send midi out to the 01x perfectly fine, and if i moved a fader with the mouse in the DAW, it would move on the 01x. However, moving a fader on the 01x would not control the mixer in the DAW. I dont think i have any conflicts with hardware as this same setup works perfectly fine running XP home edition and Vista 32.
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ich had this error, too...
in both variations.. midi in missing or midi out missing.
reinstallation of the driver will help you! i did that several times the last days
uninstall is a bit tricky... first uninstall mlantools, then go to device manager and uninstal all mlan hardware.. then go to system32/drivers and delete the mlan drivers..
check system32/driverstore/driver repository or something for a copy of the driver..
the you can just reinstall mlantools, copy your signed drivers in the mlantools folder and start them..
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Great work guys!!
I've managed to get mLAN installed on my system but have you been able to get Graphic Patchbay working properly. It has installed but when I want to make connections it does display the connector info window properly. Have you guys got any suggestions....that I could make my life a bit easier??
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you have to disable visual designs in windows (that old win98 design), then you can see te connections
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i did lots of tests now...
i get lots of dbc errors when using the 01x... they dont effect the audio part, but midi is getting very glitchy.
my firewirecard has its own irq and i disabled everything that is not needed for making music.
i have an asus p5b board (tested with onboard and pci firewire)
doesn't anybody get those errors?
i never got them before on xp x64 with the same hardware.
sometimes they come after 2 minutes, sometimes i can work maybe 30 minutes without them, but they are on every midi port the 01x offers.
i could really need hep figuring out that problem.
if wished i can upload signed drivers with a certificate for windows7
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Hi Basti
I get blue screen everytime I shut down. Is there some way that you could load your signed drivers?? Or maybe email them to me?? It'll be very much appreciated...
thanx
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>>"i got it running with windows 7. no audio gitches very stable!"
Hi Basti...
in quoting the above you mean that there are no problems with audio?? I mean no crackles or anything??
Is it stable enough for long hours of audio recording??
thanx...
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Basti...
These signed drivers that you talking about....where did u get them from?? I've used DSEO to install mine....but it results in blue screen everytime I shut down. I mean if you somehow have signed drivers...then most of us on the forum will benefit from it...
thanx mate...
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hi ronnie
that bluescreen at shutdown is the only thing i couldnt get managed
but you have to exit mlan tools, before shutting down - so you dont get a bluescreen...
the signed drivers - i signed them myself. i have a certificate, you have to add to your trusted certificates (by doubleclicking it) and the drivers, signed by that certificate.
The only advantage it gives is you dont need that DSEO tool and dont need to run testmode. - All that bluescreens and reboots on installation don't show up.
I think the driver is as stable as on XP x64 ( on the ASIO part) - Microsoft changed some things with the WDM driver so you might ge some glitches after stopping tracks in winamp.
I think microsoft changed the way, it handles IRQs, because they get strange summed together (in another way they are grouped in XP x64).
Thats why i get lots of dbc errors on the midi side... they come only after 10-30 minutes of use. Its because my SATA interface and the firewirecard and the PCIe port are sharing the same IRQ. Also the PCI sots are sharing IRQs with critical components.
hope i could clear things out
DOWNLAOD SIGNED MLANDRIVERS:
http://data.bastianchroos.de/mlan/signed.zip
readme inside - certificate password: mlan
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if there is someone around who got around those dbc errors on other systems - please let me know what u did.
disabling ACPI seems no good idea in times of 64bits and multicores, isnt it ?
what kind of (maybe not that expensive) mainboards do you use with windows 7 and mlan ?
i can hardly believe, that nobody that me is gtting those midi errors
i work for 3 years with that pc and xp x64 and mlan.
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Re: Blue Screen on Shutdown - simply turn the mLAN device connection OFF in mLAN Manager before you shut down. This was advised to me by Yamaha as good practice even when using mLAN under a supported OS - although it never gave me a BSOD under XP (I get the same BSOD under W7 if I don't turn the connection OFF).
Re: MIDI over firewire - sorry haven't tested this. My primary MIDI communication with my 01v96v2 is by USB, so I haven't particularly looked at MIDI over firewire.... yet that is :-)
None of the above cause me a problem because of the way I use the driver. I don't need MIDI over firewire, but did very briefly look at getting it working with Cubase 5 to use the 01v96 as a control surface, however as the USB method of doing this was already in place and working for me, I probably only spent 10 minutes or so looking at this.
We may have to wait (and hope) until Yamaha decide - if they decide - to release an updated mLAN driver that supports 64 bit Windows Vista/Windows 7 to fix everything. It's pretty good though that we have been able to get this far, and that on the audio side at least, the system seems very stable. If I have any time to take a look and if I get any success with MIDI comms over firewire I'll report back here - however my work schedule looks pretty busy over the next few weeks.
Re: motherboard types that support Windows 7 and the 64 bit mLAN driver. I have tried three systems, with the best being my i7 system which uses a Gigabyte GA-X58-DS4 board and an i7 920 CPU, a Sony VGN-FW31ZJ laptop with 4GB RAM and a T9550 2.66GHz Core 2 Duo CPU, and the lowest spec I have tried is based on a Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz CPU, and an Asus PW5-DH-Deluxe. All work OK. I have several other dual core PC's at my disposal, with less expensive motherboards - a couple based on the Intel P35 chipset, but those are set up for specific scenarios at present and I haven't had the time to dedicate to testing the Windows 7 RC and this driver yet.
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hi nickm thank for your reply
i emailed with yamaha germany last week. i was told the mlan system will not be uddated to newer 64bit OSes.
to the midi thing - im pretty shure its no driver problem. its working for maybe 10-30 minutes without any problems.
after that, the dbc errors appear (they should indicate sync problems with the firewire connection) - sometimes they are on R1 sometimes on R2 sometimes both, but the glich i never in the audio stream.
this problem is well known with some unsupported chipsets/mainboard and traffic problems in shared IRQs. but i disabled everything i could in bios and os. tried the internal ti fw chipset, tried a belkin card on all pci slots. every setup i tried worked perfect under xp x64. but im not shure what IRQ assignment xp did.
whats interesting: when the dbc errors appear, i get lots of cpu load on all 4 cores.
im using a 01x - my only mlan product - and i love the way it controls my DAW.
whats interesting is the ASUS p5W-DH-deluxe board you use.
im using a asus p5b-vm (with diabled onaord gpu) with an intel q6600, what should be similar to one of your setups
i would try buying a new mainboard, but im not shure if this would solve my problem..
is there any way to get the 01x's DAW control data through one of the hardware midi outs ? - that would be some nice workaround
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I contacted Yamaha UK Tech Support a couple of months ago about the 64 bit driver situation (EDIT: - sorry it can't be a couple of months ago - it just seems it! I meant early July) and to ensure that their R&D guys were aware of this thread - I thought they would be, but just wanted to be sure :-) I was told that they were aware. I took that to mean that there is still a possibility of further driver development.
I have tried the standard XP 32 bit mLAN driver on a Toshiba laptop which has a Core 2 Duo CPU and I must admit on that particular machine, even with audio transfers it will occasionally and randomly lose sync with the mLAN card and my 01v96v2 - although usually when Cubase has been paused for a little while, and not normally when in the middle of a recording. I haven't tried Windows 7 on that machine, but have tried Vista 64 and the results when trying the XP 64 bit driver simply bombed the machine out to a BSOD every time. The machine has onboard firewire and I have both a PC Card firewire interface and a PC Express firewire card I can and have used both, but the problem does occur with any interface card. I can therefore understand where you are coming from about something else interrupting the flow of information between the mLAN device and the computer.
I have got a couple of Asus P5B boards in other machines (I work for myself as an IT Consultant, so need a number of different systems for testing and other activities and as loan machines for clients). These are a P5B-Plus and a P5B-Deluxe which I've had since January 07 and July 06 respectively. Neither has on-board graphics - that's ALWAYS a no-no as far as I'm concerned with any machine likley to be used as a DAW. The P5B Plus currently runs Vista 64 Ultimate with a Q6600 CPU and the P5B-Deluxe runs a dual boot of XP pro and Vista Ultimate 32 bit with an E6600 CPU. I don't currently use my mLAN card or Yamaha mixer with either system - I could certainly stick a spare SATA drive onto the P5B-Plus to test Win 7 without too much trouble when I have half a day to spare - which unfortunately won't be for at least three weeks, and by which time I should have a copy of the full release to play with. I have found the Asus P5B series boards to be very good performers - pretty straight ahead Intel chipset based boards that normally work straight away without issues. The PW5-DH board is not one of the best I've ever had - it definitely behaves a little bit strangely in terms of the SATA and PATA drive interfaces and presents odd drive lock-ups from time to time if more than a couple of drives are fitted, but in its current W7 test role it's behaving reasonably well and works fine with the mLAN interface. I took it out of mainstream service because of its weird behaviour and will get a proper look at it one day when I have time.
My 01v96v2 communicates MIDI with the PC via its own USB interface, and so is entirely separate to the Firewire mLAN connection, and Cubase SX3, 4 and 5 will happily work with the 01v96 as a control surface. Unfortunately I'm not familiar with the 01x, but I have taken a look at the user guide. It appears that specific MIDI channels via mLAN are designated for certain control surface functions, and from what I've read it's not immediately obvious as to whether you can use the devices normal MIDI ports for this. The 01v96v2's USB port is very useful in this respect.
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Hi Basti
I've managed to somehow install the drivers but blue screen issues still abound. I also find it difficult to configure ports in patchbay,ie, i can't get all ports to connect to places where I want them to.
I also get crackles while playing back previously recorded audio.
While in Cubase 4, pressing F4 doesn't allow me to make changes to the Studio Monitoring (Last tab)...
Any ideas guys??
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Re BSOD - if this is only happening when you shut down, make sure you set mLAN Manager to OFF before you shut down. I forgot myself earlier today and got the dreaded blue screen :-)
Re crackles on previously recorded music. I don't get that at all on any of the three systems I have set this up on - fortunately for me. I guess it's partly down to system specs and partly down to the luck of the draw. It might be linked to the IEEE1394 interface chipset, but more likley it's simply the latency settings. Remember this driver was designed for XP64 and so won't have been optimised for W7. My i7 is the best spec PC I have and it doesn't choke, crackle or anything - I think that this particular driver does better with a more powerful system - as would any I suppose. When I initially tried the XP64 driver on the same machine but under Vista 64 it half worked but was intermittent and crackly from time to time and it would not record audio at all into Cubase. Try increasing the audio buffer size if you can. Also, disable any unnecessary start-up applications and do all the usual system optimisation type of stuff
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nickm
what motherboard do you have coupled with the i7?
also are you using integrated firewire port or or PCI firewire expansion ? if so what brand
I have a I7 coupled with gigabyte extreme x58 ans SIIG firewire PCI card that supposedly uses IT chip
I had similar vista experience as you described, but in my case it would work right after installation but stop working within mintues. also lots of crackling and audio drop outs.
same goes for windows xp
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Also, just keep in mind that ideally you would like to have Yamaha support W7 64 drivers officially. And the more of you that are pushing for them, the better luck you'll have.
Add your name to this thread, http://www.01xray.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=7&Board=01X_Windows&Number=441660&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
Personally, I'd like to see the drivers also brought over to Snow Leopard on the Mac platform.
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I tried it on the 64 bit RTM version of W7 Ultimate and while I got it to "work", it was FAR from suitable compared to XP32bit. Very occaisional crackles but getting worse as time went on (having already disabled my n/w adapter etc...before that it was quite bad) and after several reboots...the driver wouldn't start at all and needed to be reinstalled. This isn't a solution (certainly not for me anyway), I need something 100% stable, and only XP32bit has ever truly given me that with my 01x+i88x regardless of PC hardware.
It's a proper working and tested W7 64 bit driver for me, or MOTU gear (896mk3 + 8pre) and a control surface, whatever happens first. Up to you Yammy - cos if you don't sort it out I will never return!!! It's so damn annoying as EVERYTHING else works great under Windows7...I really could do with the 64bit addressing.
Good luck to those who do get it to work acceptably for them using these tricks though!
For those that do get it to work 100%...could you please post your mobo model w/ bios revision and the firewire card you are using (not just chipset - I am using a TI chipset and get issues with W7) and anything you had to disable to get it 100%...ta!
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My i7 machine runs an Intel i7 920 on a Gigabyte GA-EX58-DS4 Bought at the end of January this year. BIOS: F3 On board IEEE1394 TI chipset. 12GB DDR3 RAM @1600MHz. Asus nVidia 9600GT PCI-e graphics card 512MB. Under Vista 64 it would work reasonably OK on audio playback with the odd crackle and sometimes short lived dropout. Audio in though appeared to work for a few seconds (but was very very distorted) but would stop altogether very quickly - completely useless. Under Windows 7 the same machine is perfect in terms of Audio comms with Cubase 5, 3 or SX3
The i7 is pretty much music only, although I do have Virtual PC and the XP SP3 image installed and available. Cubase 5 64 bit, Wavelab 6.01, Groove Agent 3
I'm only using mLAN audio with my MY16-mLAN card and 01v96v2. MIDI comms with the 01v96 to use it as a control surface in Cubase are achieved separately with USB
I had tried the desk/MY16-mLAN sometime last year using the XP 64 bit driver on one of my Asus P5B based boards with similar results whilst using Vista 64, so I don't think the problem with Vista is necessarily motherboard specific.
Performance is not as good on my Sony Vaio laptop running W7 64 and similarly not as good on my Asus P5-DH board, but then the laptop is significantly less powerful than the i7 although for a laptop it is pretty powerful, and the Asus board is getting a bit long in the tooth now as is the CPU which was bought in July 2006 when Core 2 Duo CPUs had been on public sale for about a week. However neither really glitch the audio in moderate usage.
I've found, using mLAN on the Windows 32 bit platform is definitely some and some, by which I mean it's perfect on some systems and far less so on others that theoretically should perhaps be better performers. I get regular dropouts on one particular PC and it is apparently random. My i7 system is so far one of the most stable for audio with W7 64 and the XP driver
konc3pt.sF: Sorry - That's what I get for staying up too late. I hadn't clocked you were also having issues in XP. Your Gigabyte motherboard is a variant of the one I have, and as such it should have an integrated IEEE1394 interface based on the TI chipset. It's possible that you have a hardware conflict that I am fortunate enough not to have. Check out your graphics card and drivers, hard disc performance and the quality/length of your Firewire connecting cable. Also check that your mLAN device is synchronising properly with your PC - my PC is set up as the Word Clock Master with the 01v96v2/MY16-mLAN being the slave - and any glitches I've ever experienced on any machine with XP or Windows 7 have always shown up as a loss of sync on the 01v96. I have several Firewire cables with some of them clearly being better quality than others, and I don't think this is insignificant -although I haven't focused on proving or disproving this - it's just a possibilty worth looking at maybe.
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can somebody please help me get this working on windows 7 32 bit. =[ this is so frustrating...
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
There was a post from someone on how he'd got mLAN working under Windows 7 32 bit. Here is the link: http://www.mlancentral.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=6&Board=winxp&Number=442466&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
Unfortunately Windows 7 64 bit doesn't (yet??) have firewire support from the host computer (except if the firewire device is a hard drive) in what Microsoft are calling XP Compatibility mode, which is essentially VirtualPC running Windows XP SP3 inside a virtual machine, BUT USB devices are supported in the virtual machine. The XP virtual machine image is free, downloadable and licensed under your copy of Windows 7. Most 32 bit apps run quite happily in the 64 bit environment of Windows 7 anyway, so unless you have a particular need to stay with 32 bit Windows 7, why not move up to 64 bit?
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
Thanks Elmer. I joined that list. Hope it helps.
01v96v2, i88x, AMD X2 3800+ 2GB, MacBook 1.8GHz 2GB, Cubase, Logic
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
I can not get the MIDI-in ports working on my i88X
Have tried to reinstall the drivers, and then suddenly my MIDI-out popped up, but still no MIDI-in...
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hmm... One bluescreen later and a reinstall of the drivers my MIDI-in is at place... just 5 mins before I ordered a MIDI-USB-interface =)
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
The plot thickens... I figured i'd post something after speaking to a very helpful fella at Yamaha UK tech support called Dusty.
Basically... 64bit drivers ARE STILL being developed BUT these appear to be Vista only. There's currently no news on whether or not Windows7 drivers will be produced (32bit or 64bit).
It turns out that the development work that would normally be carried out by Yamaha and handled by Yamaha developers has been MOVED out of the UK and over to Steinberg which would explain why we're no longer getting any input from the Yamaha team!
Dusty took down my details and said he'll give me a call back once he's spoken to the guys at Steinberg with regards to their current development path and 64bit support.
Hopefully he gets back to me with an update!
All in all I made it pretty clear that the 01x is great product but if STABLE 64bit support isn't available then i'll be forced to move away from Yamaha and buy a 64bit compatible interface, i also mentioned that i speak for a number of members on mlancentral and 01xray who are forced to use 32bit setups because there is no stable 64bit support available for Vista and/or Windows7.
I also enquired about driver support for Macs rocking Snow Leopard and he said that the current drivers should work. I told him that based on feedback on the forums the drivers simply don't work or are extremely unstable.
We'll see how this pans out i guess... I'll try and keep you guys updated if i hear anything from Yamaha.
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Kang
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Regarding Snow Leopard,
http://www.01xray.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=7&Board=01X_Macintosh&Number=443926&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=all
Zibba and a few others have the current mLAN drivers installed on Snow Leopard. During installation there is an error message regarding the plist installer. However, the drivers do install and appear to function. Only long term use will reveal how stable they are under SL.
SM2 and the 01X editor install and appear to function under SL.
The Yamaha plug-ins (pitch fixer, final master, channel strip, etc.) do not appear to function under SL.
It would not be much of an effort for Yamaha to tweak the current mLAN and 01X ancillary software for Snow Leopard. An official release speaks volumes about Yamaha's supposedly new found attitude about supporting their hardware (and their customers).
Keep in mind that all of this is 32bit, Yamaha doesn't have any release candidate or alpha, beta or otherwise that I am aware of that is 64bit for the Mac platform. Logic is curently still a 32bit application, and all our plugins as well, so the tweak for 32bit SL would certainly suffice for now. We can cross the 64bit bridge when the time comes.
White MacBook '09 (4gb RAM), OSX.5.8, v.1.2 mLAN tools, Logic 9, 01X, S90ES, i88x & i88x
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
SL works for me but im only using 32 bit.
Logic works fine.
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Working great.
OSX86 Hackintosh (I actually paid for the retail DVD)
Gigabyte UD3P
4 gig ram
32 bit only.
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cfaalm
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@faithless:
Didn't Microsoft say what works under Vista works in W7? So a 64-bit Vista driver should per definition work in W7.
Interesting news though.
01v96v2, i88x, AMD X2 3800+ 2GB, MacBook 1.8GHz 2GB, Cubase, Logic
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
It's been awhile since my original post and I have some minor updates to report.
1. I have Windows 7 RTM 64 bit (build 7600) installed on a new drive on my Core 2 Duo 6700 system (same one that I used in my first post).
2. I have installed mLAN on this build with some adjustments:
a. I used the "signed" drivers provided on this thread.
b. I used the F8 option for loading the drivers instead of the downloadable utility.
3. I am able to get really good sound when playing the standalone version of "The Grand 2", but when I try to load "The Grand 2" into the 64 bit version of Cubase 4, there is a huge amount of crackling.
I am experimenting with different settings to see if I can make it worse, or better.
I have sent support requests to Yamaha asking them to build a Windows 7 64bit driver.
I did see a message on the Yamaha website that said they were looking into updating some of their software to be Windows 7 compatible.
I'm not holding my breath at this point.
Shawn Nanto
Intel Core2Duo,Cubase 4,Yamaha01X,i88X,WinXP 32bit,dual boot Win7-64bit Beta 1(MLAN WORKING!)
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
This is amazing stuff...
Not sure what I'm doing wrong, but I can only install the drivers (even the signed ones) if I disable the signing requirement when I boot up (F8??).
I also have to run the installer and mLAN Manager in Administrator mode.
I'd like to streamline this, but if I don't disable signing, it doesn't work.
Recording and playback on Cubase4 is perfect, no clicks, pops, glitches or anything. Running W7 x64.
Any suggestions?
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I have eventually got the drivers to load but had (still have) constant problems. For some reason, no matter how many times I uninstalled removed the old drivers form system32\drivers and system32\driverstore, the original drivers would appear again.
Installed the certificate and ran the mlan_ setup
copied the signed drivers to \program files(x86)\mlan tools\vdriver
Set the Mlan Manager to XP compatibility
Now in the system32\drivers search for mlanbus.sys (or any of the other files) and there is nothing
Run mlan and plug in the hardware, it copied the unsigned file to the system32\drivers directory
I manually copied the signed file and rebooted. After starting again the old version was there again. WTF?
Eventual when I got all the signed Drivers in the system32\drivers The mlanstrm.sys and mLANmidi.sys would suddenly revert to their old versions. Despite System monitoring being off!
Ok so with mlan all installed Graphics patch bay is not easy to administer with Aero on, Got it all connected set up with the WDM drivers, (used for broadcasting etc…) and set the sound default device to mlan it worked.
Well for about 5 mins then it crashed. I got a repetitive noise and mlan locked when I tried to reboot, I got a BSoD with a SYSTEM_ACCESS violation
Well, I will keep trying,
G
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
I installed WindowsXP 64 drivers on Win7-64 with the F8 boot up option. The drivers are somewhat useable. I am able to send audio out to the i88x via ASIO, but not the other way. I noticed that even with the F8 option, the i88x drivers under the "Sound and Gam Controllers" section of Device Manager show up as not installed. Instead, there is a generic Windows driver ksthunk.sys or something.
I sent Yamaha Support an email enquiring about mLan and Widows 7 drivers and here was their response (October 26, 2009):
"--there are no 64 bit mlan drivers availible for win7 .At this point in time further development of mlan drivers, beyond the current availible versions, is not being undertaken. Hope this helps -EB"
I hope they realize that a lot of ppl considering buying the new Yamaha firewire interfaces (816X/816CSX and N8/N12) are going to be put off by the mLan debacle, especially since none of the current products have drivers for Windows 7.
I sent EB a reply suggesting Yamaha release the mLan source code and device drivers as Open Source.
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It is unacceptable that Yamaha does not commit on updating their mlan drivers to windows 7! A lot of people (including me) use mlan as their main audio transfer to and from the DAW. If we need to buy a new DAW PC, windows 7 may be installed on it... So what can we do then? Throw out the window all mlan hardware we bought or go back to "end-of-life" windows XP/Vista? Yamaha, your comment on this please?
frustrated customer!
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Gruntos
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Hmm somthing is goign very wrong with thiese signed drivers.
Notrhing would work this morning so I uninstalled the drivers and then removed old file version from driverstore and all the Mlan registry entries so effectly I started with a fresh machine. (so I beleive!)
When I start the installed process I coppied the signed drivers to the C:\Program Files (x86)\mLAN\VDriver dir (even gave it a diferent path) and started mlanmanager
The install process coppied the new mlanbus.sys to the system32\drivers directory and then promptly failed with a This driver isnt signed message. Despite looking inside of the file in the drivers dir I see it is signed by a user called mLanUser and then tells me the certificate is Good.
Ok I'm stummped now What am I doing wrong.
G
Update: when I looked under device manager and examined the mlan entry it said driver unsigned!
in the end I used the windows bcdedit, coppied the current config and added a testsign setting So instead of using the F8 the nosigned is now the defaut.
G
BTW: Windows 7! After playing with it for a few weeks.
Windows Media player locks up after 10 mins.
MySQL wont start
SAM refuses to install.
Web Cam wont work (no drivers)
Sony Video camera. No way
Sonar Nope have to upgrade to 8.5 (another £155)
So the Mlan drivers are just one many things that dont work, At least we are nearly there!
G
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
In reply to:
I sent EB a reply suggesting Yamaha release the mLan source code and device drivers as Open Source.
This would be the most decent thing to do if Yamaha will not invest in mLAN anymore. I wonder if there are people among us who would be able to (re-)write the mLAN driver for Win7 64 bit. From what I gathered drivers are a peculiar kind of software.
Come on Yamaha, show us you're real pro's and either develop or open source this thing. I'd hate to put my i88x in the bin.
01v96v2, i88x, AMD X2 3800+ 2GB, MacBook 1.8GHz 2GB, Cubase, Logic
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Beciase of the lack of drivers I Was looking around trying to replace the 01x/i88x but I cant find anything else which does the same job.
The N12 looks ok. But no W7 drivers. BTW. There are very few drivers for W7. I looked at the PFRESONUS STUDIOLIVE 16.4.2 DIGITAL but it dosnt have DAW control and it only works with their recording software (and no W7 drivers but the are going to work on them!)
So replace the Yamaha with what?
Ok I can wire the i88x and 01X together. Feed the output of the sound card S/PDIF straight to the digital in on the i88x an out back to the PC line in. But what about Midi control for the DAW? will a standalone midi interface allow the DAW to control Cakewalk?
I really don’t want to replace my 01x I love it. It does everything I want nothing else comes close. So Yamaha please do a 64 bit driver for Win 7.
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
Matt C:
Getting MLAN working in Windows 7 32 bit was relatively easy.
As was posted somewhere else on this forum, I found that going to Device Manager and changing the driver mode of the firewire adapter to 'Legacy' let the drivers install normally.
Still testing it out though, but so far so good.
This will do as a stopgap until (if or when) WIn 7 64 bit drivers are released.
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I am an Italian boy. I'm sorry for bad English. I have windows 7 32 bit. I can not install mLAN. I read the procedure of the first post but nothing. help me?
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First of all, try to go into device manager, look for the firewire card, then CHANGE (update) the driver and use the LEGACY one.
Then, you could try again (there are probably other steps, but first of all, try the firewire card driver.
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Thanks for the screen grabs.
This a firewire driver problem.
What you need to do is :
1. Switch all of your MLAN equipment off.
2. Uninstall the MLAN drivers and software from your PC.
3. Click on Start and in the search box type in: Device Manager
4. Click on Device Manager and then click your 1394 adapter to
expand the menu.
5. Right click on your adapter and select Update Driver Software.
6. Select Browse My Computer for Driver Software.
7. Select Let Me Pick From A List Of Device Drivers On My Computer.
8. You will have a choice of 3 drivers. Select the one marked "(Legacy)" and click Next.
9.Install the MLAN software, reboot when prompted, switch your MLAN equipment on when prompted.
10. Your drivers will now install without a problem.
Good luck
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Thanks for the walk through. I got the driver working with win 7, but I can't get the WDM driver working for windows audio (itunes, mediaplayer, etc.)
In 'Driver Setup' under mlan manager it doesn't have an option for asio +wdm like it used to. what am I missing?
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
So what about the Cubase/Yamaha drivers? These also seem to be mLAN drivers, designed for the Yamaha Nxx consoles and Yamaha synths.
Those drivers seem to be getting updates for x64 and Windows 7. Will they not work with other mLAN stuff like the MY16-mLAN cards?
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The N Series mixers and the mLAN16e2 (firewire expansion card for the Motif XS line) can be flashed with mLAN and used with the old mLAN drivers on XP32. If used with mLAN, they will not function with the newer Yamaha Steinberg firewire driver or the P2P driver that Yamaha originally shipped with those models.
Yamaha has decided that this is where mLAN development stops. Only the Yamaha Steinberg Firewire Driver is being updated for current operating systems and none of the older mLAN B gear (01X, i88x, mLAN16e, MY16mLAN, etc.) will work with the new driver. The new driver works with N series mixers, Motif XS w/mLAN16e2, and Steinberg MR816 interfaces. All of these boxes are DiceII chip based where ours are not.
White MacBook '09 (4gb RAM), OSX.5.8, v.1.2 mLAN tools, Logic 9, 01X, S90ES, i88x & i88x
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
Thanks, Elmer!
Disappointing, but I'm sure you're correct.
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
Well, I decided to get a license for W7 and try out the install procedure on my i7 machine..
For two days I have been trying to get everything installed in such a way that I would be able to use my 01X, but to no avail. W7 is a real pain in the rear end when it comes to driver signing and digital certificates!
Although I managed to get mLantools installed, for some reason the driver for my 01X simply will not install.
If I turn on autoconnect in the mLanManager and try to get connected to my 01X, even though mLanManager creates the impression that the connection with the 01X went well I can see in the display of my 01X that it did not become a wordclock slave to the computer and the sample rate is not set.
I'm tired of trying to get it work the way it should, so I return to my sturdy and reliable RME card for audio. The 01x goes in a box; maybe I'll try to sell it should there be any demand for it.
It's a pity that in spite of users volunteering their services and rolling out the red carpet for Yamaha there still has not been one single comment from the side of Yamaha.
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
hello,
did anybody test the windows 7 professional 64bit add-on
xp-modus??????????
does it work with 01x??
greetings ernst
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
I haven't tried running a virtual XP OS environment on my W7 (=XP add-on mode).
First of all I would worry about the latency and stability and secondly, if I am going to use a virtual Win XP OS I might as well install XP instead of W7, thus eliminating any possible latency and stability issues.
As long as Yamaha doesn't come forward with updated drivers the 01X is a done deal for me. Unfortunately.
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
XP Mode wont work as virtual PC like all others (virtual box, vmplayer etc) have no support for Firewire so Mlan cant work.
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
I solved the problem! I bought a used MOTU 828mkII F/W and a MOTU 8pre F/W (<$600 total) for my Win7 Pro 64bit machine and left all the Yamaha mLAN crap connected to my WinXP Pro 32bit machine.
Quite a shame since I just bought a Motif XS6 with the mLAN card this past summer. I can send and/or receive up to 16 channels using ADAT between the two machines. I've got plenty of hardware synths and other gear, so I need lots of channels to be able to hook everything up permanently and leave it alone
It's just not worth wasting any more of my time trying to make this work on a new system, which seems pretty flakey, at best.
Suck it up folks and move on. mLAN is old technology. R.I.P.
p.s. If any of you Yamaha folks are silently lurking out there, note that MOTU are continually updating the drivers for their older hardware gear and SUPPORT their users.
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be warned, I have had nothing but priblems with my 828 Mk2 F/W The win7/64 drivers are nothing short of crap. Blue screen after after blue screen with APC_INDEX_MISMATCH when recording in heavy use. I'm using the 01x->i88x->828
Somthing is not right someware and as for MOTU support it takes them 3 weeks to respnd to a support call and then never look at the tickett again. Compared to yamaha, it's 1000% better though.
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
The legacy driver works for 64 bit as well, I had serious problems with the MOTU 64 bit drivers and loading the lagacy has cleared it,
Might be worth doing this for the 64 bit as std too.
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
Many companies are having to write or re-write 1394 drivers for their products.
Basically, if the device in question only conforms to 1394 1995-2000 then it will never work in windows 7 as windows 7 will only allow it to run in Legacy mode which won't have all the features that mostly likely an MLan system would require.
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