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ronnie
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(08/07/09 08:42 PM)
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
>>"i got it running with windows 7. no audio gitches very stable!"
Hi Basti...
in quoting the above you mean that there are no problems with audio?? I mean no crackles or anything??
Is it stable enough for long hours of audio recording??
thanx...
01x, ES, PSR3K, SX3, Cubase 4, Halion 3, Q6600 Quad Core, 8G RAM
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ronnie
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(08/08/09 05:54 AM)
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
Basti...
These signed drivers that you talking about....where did u get them from?? I've used DSEO to install mine....but it results in blue screen everytime I shut down. I mean if you somehow have signed drivers...then most of us on the forum will benefit from it...
thanx mate...
01x, ES, PSR3K, SX3, Cubase 4, Halion 3, Q6600 Quad Core, 8G RAM
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basti
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(08/09/09 04:46 AM)
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
hi ronnie
that bluescreen at shutdown is the only thing i couldnt get managed 
but you have to exit mlan tools, before shutting down - so you dont get a bluescreen...
the signed drivers - i signed them myself. i have a certificate, you have to add to your trusted certificates (by doubleclicking it) and the drivers, signed by that certificate.
The only advantage it gives is you dont need that DSEO tool and dont need to run testmode. - All that bluescreens and reboots on installation don't show up.
I think the driver is as stable as on XP x64 ( on the ASIO part) - Microsoft changed some things with the WDM driver so you might ge some glitches after stopping tracks in winamp.
I think microsoft changed the way, it handles IRQs, because they get strange summed together (in another way they are grouped in XP x64).
Thats why i get lots of dbc errors on the midi side... they come only after 10-30 minutes of use. Its because my SATA interface and the firewirecard and the PCIe port are sharing the same IRQ. Also the PCI sots are sharing IRQs with critical components.
hope i could clear things out
DOWNLAOD SIGNED MLANDRIVERS:
http://data.bastianchroos.de/mlan/signed.zip
readme inside - certificate password: mlan
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basti
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(08/09/09 05:08 AM)
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
if there is someone around who got around those dbc errors on other systems - please let me know what u did.
disabling ACPI seems no good idea in times of 64bits and multicores, isnt it ?
what kind of (maybe not that expensive) mainboards do you use with windows 7 and mlan ?
i can hardly believe, that nobody that me is gtting those midi errors
i work for 3 years with that pc and xp x64 and mlan.
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nickm
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(08/09/09 12:49 PM)
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
Re: Blue Screen on Shutdown - simply turn the mLAN device connection OFF in mLAN Manager before you shut down. This was advised to me by Yamaha as good practice even when using mLAN under a supported OS - although it never gave me a BSOD under XP (I get the same BSOD under W7 if I don't turn the connection OFF).
Re: MIDI over firewire - sorry haven't tested this. My primary MIDI communication with my 01v96v2 is by USB, so I haven't particularly looked at MIDI over firewire.... yet that is :-)
None of the above cause me a problem because of the way I use the driver. I don't need MIDI over firewire, but did very briefly look at getting it working with Cubase 5 to use the 01v96 as a control surface, however as the USB method of doing this was already in place and working for me, I probably only spent 10 minutes or so looking at this.
We may have to wait (and hope) until Yamaha decide - if they decide - to release an updated mLAN driver that supports 64 bit Windows Vista/Windows 7 to fix everything. It's pretty good though that we have been able to get this far, and that on the audio side at least, the system seems very stable. If I have any time to take a look and if I get any success with MIDI comms over firewire I'll report back here - however my work schedule looks pretty busy over the next few weeks.
Re: motherboard types that support Windows 7 and the 64 bit mLAN driver. I have tried three systems, with the best being my i7 system which uses a Gigabyte GA-X58-DS4 board and an i7 920 CPU, a Sony VGN-FW31ZJ laptop with 4GB RAM and a T9550 2.66GHz Core 2 Duo CPU, and the lowest spec I have tried is based on a Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz CPU, and an Asus PW5-DH-Deluxe. All work OK. I have several other dual core PC's at my disposal, with less expensive motherboards - a couple based on the Intel P35 chipset, but those are set up for specific scenarios at present and I haven't had the time to dedicate to testing the Windows 7 RC and this driver yet.
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basti
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(08/09/09 02:14 PM)
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
hi nickm thank for your reply
i emailed with yamaha germany last week. i was told the mlan system will not be uddated to newer 64bit OSes.
to the midi thing - im pretty shure its no driver problem. its working for maybe 10-30 minutes without any problems.
after that, the dbc errors appear (they should indicate sync problems with the firewire connection) - sometimes they are on R1 sometimes on R2 sometimes both, but the glich i never in the audio stream.
this problem is well known with some unsupported chipsets/mainboard and traffic problems in shared IRQs. but i disabled everything i could in bios and os. tried the internal ti fw chipset, tried a belkin card on all pci slots. every setup i tried worked perfect under xp x64. but im not shure what IRQ assignment xp did.
whats interesting: when the dbc errors appear, i get lots of cpu load on all 4 cores.
im using a 01x - my only mlan product - and i love the way it controls my DAW.
whats interesting is the ASUS p5W-DH-deluxe board you use.
im using a asus p5b-vm (with diabled onaord gpu) with an intel q6600, what should be similar to one of your setups
i would try buying a new mainboard, but im not shure if this would solve my problem..
is there any way to get the 01x's DAW control data through one of the hardware midi outs ? - that would be some nice workaround
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nickm
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(08/10/09 12:06 PM)
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
I contacted Yamaha UK Tech Support a couple of months ago about the 64 bit driver situation (EDIT: - sorry it can't be a couple of months ago - it just seems it! I meant early July) and to ensure that their R&D guys were aware of this thread - I thought they would be, but just wanted to be sure :-) I was told that they were aware. I took that to mean that there is still a possibility of further driver development.
I have tried the standard XP 32 bit mLAN driver on a Toshiba laptop which has a Core 2 Duo CPU and I must admit on that particular machine, even with audio transfers it will occasionally and randomly lose sync with the mLAN card and my 01v96v2 - although usually when Cubase has been paused for a little while, and not normally when in the middle of a recording. I haven't tried Windows 7 on that machine, but have tried Vista 64 and the results when trying the XP 64 bit driver simply bombed the machine out to a BSOD every time. The machine has onboard firewire and I have both a PC Card firewire interface and a PC Express firewire card I can and have used both, but the problem does occur with any interface card. I can therefore understand where you are coming from about something else interrupting the flow of information between the mLAN device and the computer.
I have got a couple of Asus P5B boards in other machines (I work for myself as an IT Consultant, so need a number of different systems for testing and other activities and as loan machines for clients). These are a P5B-Plus and a P5B-Deluxe which I've had since January 07 and July 06 respectively. Neither has on-board graphics - that's ALWAYS a no-no as far as I'm concerned with any machine likley to be used as a DAW. The P5B Plus currently runs Vista 64 Ultimate with a Q6600 CPU and the P5B-Deluxe runs a dual boot of XP pro and Vista Ultimate 32 bit with an E6600 CPU. I don't currently use my mLAN card or Yamaha mixer with either system - I could certainly stick a spare SATA drive onto the P5B-Plus to test Win 7 without too much trouble when I have half a day to spare - which unfortunately won't be for at least three weeks, and by which time I should have a copy of the full release to play with. I have found the Asus P5B series boards to be very good performers - pretty straight ahead Intel chipset based boards that normally work straight away without issues. The PW5-DH board is not one of the best I've ever had - it definitely behaves a little bit strangely in terms of the SATA and PATA drive interfaces and presents odd drive lock-ups from time to time if more than a couple of drives are fitted, but in its current W7 test role it's behaving reasonably well and works fine with the mLAN interface. I took it out of mainstream service because of its weird behaviour and will get a proper look at it one day when I have time.
My 01v96v2 communicates MIDI with the PC via its own USB interface, and so is entirely separate to the Firewire mLAN connection, and Cubase SX3, 4 and 5 will happily work with the 01v96 as a control surface. Unfortunately I'm not familiar with the 01x, but I have taken a look at the user guide. It appears that specific MIDI channels via mLAN are designated for certain control surface functions, and from what I've read it's not immediately obvious as to whether you can use the devices normal MIDI ports for this. The 01v96v2's USB port is very useful in this respect.
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ronnie
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(08/11/09 01:30 AM)
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
Hi Basti
I've managed to somehow install the drivers but blue screen issues still abound. I also find it difficult to configure ports in patchbay,ie, i can't get all ports to connect to places where I want them to.
I also get crackles while playing back previously recorded audio.
While in Cubase 4, pressing F4 doesn't allow me to make changes to the Studio Monitoring (Last tab)...
Any ideas guys??
01x, ES, PSR3K, SX3, Cubase 4, Halion 3, Q6600 Quad Core, 8G RAM
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nickm
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(08/11/09 04:24 AM)
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
Re BSOD - if this is only happening when you shut down, make sure you set mLAN Manager to OFF before you shut down. I forgot myself earlier today and got the dreaded blue screen :-)
Re crackles on previously recorded music. I don't get that at all on any of the three systems I have set this up on - fortunately for me. I guess it's partly down to system specs and partly down to the luck of the draw. It might be linked to the IEEE1394 interface chipset, but more likley it's simply the latency settings. Remember this driver was designed for XP64 and so won't have been optimised for W7. My i7 is the best spec PC I have and it doesn't choke, crackle or anything - I think that this particular driver does better with a more powerful system - as would any I suppose. When I initially tried the XP64 driver on the same machine but under Vista 64 it half worked but was intermittent and crackly from time to time and it would not record audio at all into Cubase. Try increasing the audio buffer size if you can. Also, disable any unnecessary start-up applications and do all the usual system optimisation type of stuff
Edited by nickm (08/11/09 04:48 AM)
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konc3pt.sF
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(08/11/09 07:03 AM)
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
nickm
what motherboard do you have coupled with the i7?
also are you using integrated firewire port or or PCI firewire expansion ? if so what brand
I have a I7 coupled with gigabyte extreme x58 ans SIIG firewire PCI card that supposedly uses IT chip
I had similar vista experience as you described, but in my case it would work right after installation but stop working within mintues. also lots of crackling and audio drop outs.
same goes for windows xp
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