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snanto
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Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
Believe it or not (I can hardly believe it myself) I GOT MLAN WORKING ON Windows 7 64BIT. (SEE ATTACHMENT FOR A SCREENSHOT) Which does mean Vista 64 Bit should also work the same way. (There are still some minor glitches in playback, enough to make it not feasable for production, but I am homing in on this one)
Here is what I did to make mLan work on Windows 7 64 bit:
0. Turn off ALL Mlan devices.
1. Install Fresh Windows 7 Beta 1
2. Disable UAC (run C:\Windows\System32\UserAccountControlSettings.exe) by setting the slider to "Never Notify".
3. Reboot.
4. Download and install the mLan "Windows XP 64 Bit Driver" and save it to Downloads.
5. Unzip the contents of the zip file.
6. Run \mlan_v155\mLAN_\setup.exe from the zip file.
7. During the course of the installation, it will prompt you to reboot. Say Yes AND keep watch for a possible driver warning dialog that might popup during reboot, click Allow quickly if prompted (it's the bottom button).
8. After the reboot, Download the "Driver Signature Enforcement Overrider" from http://www.ngohq.com/home.php?page=dseo (Find the "Download" link at the bottom of the article)
8a. Set the compatibility mode for the mLanManager application (located in your startup folder under All Programs) to be compatible with Windows XP Service Pack 2
9. Run the DSEO that you downloaded. After going through the setup and license screen, Click "Enable Test Mode", then click Next.
10. Reboot again.
11. This is the tricky part: In your system tray,
a. turn ON mLan, then after a few moments
b. Turn on you Yamaha 01x (or other mLan device) and Leave it on from this point on, even between reboots, turn your speakers off though.
Dialogs will start popping up. What you are waiting for is one that says the driver wasn't loaded because it wasn't signed. And it will point you to a file located in C:\Windows\System32\Drivers\mLanBus.sys (or whereever your windows folder is installed to)
12. Once you see that popup do NOT click Close or OK, run DSEO and click "Sign a System File", then click Next. Type the full path to the file being blocked by windows: e.g. "C:\Windows\System32\Drivers\mLanBus.sys", then click OK. You will be given a message stating that the file has been signed, and you will need to reboot. At that point, click on START | RESTART.
You may get a BLUE SCREEN of DEATH, just ignore it, it's not important at this point.
13. After rebooting, start mLan again, this time, instead of mLanBus.sys being blocked by Windows, it should load it, and will start blocking C:\Windows\System32\Drivers\mLanMIDI.sys. Do the exact same thing as last time: Run DSEO, Sign the mLanMIDI.sys file, Issue a reboot, bluescreen, reboot for real.
14. After rebooting again, start mLan again, this time the final file will be: mLanStrm.sys (also in the drivers folder). You might not get the warning dialog on this one, you may just get the message in the top right hand corner stating to wait till the Found New Hardware Wizard is complete. If that happens, just run DSEO, sign the mLanStrm.sys file and reboot, bluescreen, reboot. If the file is not there, try stopping and restarting mlan until it appears.
15. On this final reboot, after logging in start mlan.
at this point mlan should start with no troubles, configure it as you have before.
I believe this technique will also work on Vista 64, but I haven't tried it yet.
A couple of things to note: There are some slight glitches with the driver in this mode, (it's jittery at times, and there is some minor crackling periodically which I don't get on the exact same machine under Windows XP)
Also, I have only tried this with a Yamaha 01X at this point. I will also try my i88X and see how that fares.
YAMAHA, ARE YOU READING THIS? Your driver already works, just make it jump through the Microsoft hoops, fix a slight wordclock glitch (and possibly a slight memory leak), and release to us a working Vista 64 and Windows 7 64 bit mlan drivers and BAM! 4 more years of happy customers! I have proof that your Windows XP 64 bit driver is like 98% working once we get past all the Microsoft blocking issues. Yamaha please contact me at nanto24 at Hotmail dot::com so I can prove to you how close you are...
I will try to post a YouTube video demonstrating mLan working on Windows 7 64 bit shortly as soon as I find a screen capture application that can capture the mLan Audio as well, I may just have to use my camcorder.
-Shawn Nanto
Intel Core2Duo,Cubase 4,Yamaha01X,i88X,WinXP 32bit,dual boot Win7-64bit Beta 1(MLAN WORKING!)
Edited by snanto (06/25/09 08:02 AM)
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joegab
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(06/25/09 05:53 AM)
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
This is a VERY IMPORTANT information that you are giving us.
THANK YOU.....
Please, inform all people if you will find a way to correct the glitches, or, anyway, if you confirm that it works...
Regards,
Giorgio
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(06/25/09 08:19 PM)
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
Awesome stuff.
Is there any way we can get this topic pinned?
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(06/26/09 02:33 AM)
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
WHOUOUOUOUOUO
super man, work on vista 64 ultimate
great news for mlan vista 64 user
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(06/26/09 08:23 AM)
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
Yamaha gotta step their game up and start making those drivers...windows 7 beta download has been available for bout a year now and not even a note on their website of them working on new drivers. I got a powerful machine at home QuadCore I7 that I can expand with 24GB's of ram, but so what if there is no usable driver to support the OS.
I was real pissed to find out my $2000 PC dont work with mLan and I had to go out and buy a iMac computer just to keep my mLan setup going. If this dont improve I wont hesitate to switch to more reliable vendor.
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nickm
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(06/27/09 05:46 AM)
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
Thanks for your input Shawn. Like me, you've obviously been hard at work trying to crack the 64bit mLAN driver issue in Windows. :-)
Indeed I thought I had cracked it myself a couple of months ago - and as far as playback in Cubase 5.1 64bit version, I did crack it so the XP 64 bit driver worked with Windows Vista 64 Ultimate with my Yamaha 01v96v2 and MY16-MLAN card.
I did think of posting something here, but I had only found half an answer so didn't bother on the grounds that I didn't want to build people's hopes.
So, if I get your post correctly, with the exception of a few glitches here and there, you are getting audio both in and out of your PC/DAW using the XP 64 bit driver? And you're using a Yamaha 01x?
Can you post a bit more detail on your computer spec, the DAW application, whether you're using ASIO (I am in Cubase) please as it might be relevant and offer a few more clues which might help overcome the sort of issue I'm experiencing.
Essentially I did the same as you have suggested by starting Windows with Driver Signing turned off - slightly less elegant than your method - I just pressed F8 before Windows booted and turned it off there - EVERY time :-/.
No problems with playback inside Cubase using the mLAN ASIO driver, but getting audio in to Cubase is impossible so far that way on any of my Vista 64bit systems. I used my 01v96v2 to mix down some tracks I had recorded last August at a live gig and it worked well over a period of several hours
The audio initially appears at Cubase's input mixer, but quickly distorts in a nasty way and then drops out completely - we're talking a matter of 3 or 4 seconds here. However for mixdown it does indeed work.
I have applied your method of installation this morning and have achieved exactly the same result as I did before unfortunately - i.e. audio output OK, but no usable audio input .
I haven't yet tried it in Windows 7. I have got Windows 7's latest RC installed on another machine, and I might find the same level of success as you if I have time to try later :-) Windows 7 RTM is out in a couple of weeks, and as a Microsoft Partner I will have access to it, so I may wait and install the release version on my DAW machine.
My main DAW system is based on the following: Vista 64 Ultimate SP2, Gigabyte GA-EX58-DS4 motherboard, 6GB DDR-3 RAM, Intel Core i7 920 CPU, IEEE 1394 with TI chipset.
I have a Sony Vaio laptop also with Windows Vista Ultimate 64 bit installed and the results I got with that system are identical to the results I got with my main 64 bit DAW. The vaio has 4GB RAM installed and a decent Intel Core 2 Duo CPU running at 2.8GHz
I had a similar problem with audio streaming from another system which had a MOTU Traveler (firewire) interface installed back in early 2007. It worked fine with 3GB RAM showing in Vista 64 but exhibited all sorts of nasty behaviour when trying to use the full 4GB of RAM. It turned out to be a fault in MOTU's driver and with the next driver release it was fixed.I haven't tried the mLAN driver at all on my original 64bit Vista machine which runs an Intel Core 2 Quad Core Q6600 CPU and has 4GB RAM, but as I can switch out the full 4GB relatively easily I might give it a go.
At least we know what should be possible now.
Out of interest, how much RAM do you have installed in your Windows 7 64 bit test rig?
You are right. We know the mLAN driver for XP 64 at least partially works with some devices inside Vista 64 and in Windows 7, so why Yamaha have sat on the fence for so long on providing a proper 64bit driver for Windows Vista/Windows 7 I can't imagine. I know how frustrating I've found this as a user and knowing that a 64 bit driver exists already that almost works as it should. makes it even more frustrating. Others must feel the same or worse than I do. Come on Yamaha!! PULL YOUR FINGERS OUT :-)
UPDATE 28 Jun 09
I have this morning connected my Yamaha 01v96v2 and MY16-mLAN successfully to Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit and Cubase 5 64 bit using the 64bit XP driver. It is much more usable and stable than on the three Windows Vista 64 bit machines I have tried it on previously. Very occasional audio dropouts for me - less than with Vista 64 - no noticeable crackles yet. This time I CAN get audio in as well as out. The test system is nothing particularly special: Asus PW5-DH motherboard, Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 running at 2.4GHz, 2GB RAM (I am about to try 4GB or more), 200GB HDD, Windows 7 Ultimate RC1.
I would hesitate to say that this will be successful on all 64 bit capable PCs, as in the PC world things are never quite as simple as that, but I am pretty pleased that Windows 7 seems to be more tolerant of Windows XP 64 bit mLAN drivers than Vista 64 has been for me. I have a Cubase project to finish, and I'm going to attempt it with this machine.
FURTHER UPDATE 28 June 09
I have now gone a stage further and installed Windows 7 as part of a dual boot on my Intel Core i7 machine, which is exactly the same machine where Vista 64 Ultimate and the 64 bit XP mLAN driver did not get along that well. I'm pleased to say, that with Windows 7, my 01v96v2 and MY16-mLAN card are working pretty well so far and better again than the Core 2 Duo E6600 based machine I achieved success with earlier today. I'm getting audio in and out of Cubase 5 via mLAN on this machine and no audio glitches at all so far with the same 16 track song I was testing it all with earlier
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snanto
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(06/28/09 08:45 PM)
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Re: Windows 7 64bit mLAN WORKS (I HAVE PROOF)
nickm:
I used a Yamaha 01X for my test, but I also have an i88x (which I haven't tried yet).
My DAW is Cubase 4.5, however I used Sony SoundForge through ASIO for my Windows 7 audio recording test because it was the middle of the night and I didn't want to rummage through my garage for the Cubase Disks. I had no problems getting clean audio in and out, as well as a VSTi (Steinberg's The Grand 2) out through ASIO and to my 01X.
My computer is:
Intel Core2duo E6700 2.66Ghz (1066Mhz fsb) with 4GB of (Corsair DDR2) RAM running on an Intel DP965LT, I am running a nVidia GeForce 7300GT with 512Mb Ram + Shared System Memory. 1TB HDD, Dual monitors (1 flat 1 analog from the same video card.) The Video is taking up about 1.3MB of system memory.
My system is a dual boot Windows 7 RC 1 and Windows XP Professional SP3.
Thank you for validating and confirming my findings.
Maybe since the XP 64 driver is almost flawless on Windows 7, Yamaha can release a Windows 7 64 bit version more quickly.
Yamaha, hello, are you there?
Is anybody listening? oh, oh
There's no reply at all - Genesis
Intel Core2Duo,Cubase 4,Yamaha01X,i88X,WinXP 32bit,dual boot Win7-64bit Beta 1(MLAN WORKING!)
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(06/29/09 11:12 AM)
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Thank you Shawn for taking the time to make your discovery and for taking care to document it. I had been half way there already, but you sorted the final steps for me to get it working. Very much appreciated. As some of us say here in the UK 'I'm dead chuffed'! :-)
I can now use my 01v96v2 as an audio interface and control surface in Cubase with much more memory at my disposal than previously under Windows XP.
I've emailed a guy that helped me out a few months ago at Yamaha UK Tech Support to whom I'd made a driver enquiry about Vista 64, to point out this thread, and I've also posted in alt.steinberg.cubase referencing this thread.
I've been working on a 19 minute piece of prog rock material a friend of mine wants some guitar parts adding to this afternoon for about 4 hours using Windows 7 64 bit , my 01v96v2/MY16-mLAN card and my i7 based system. I haven't had it drop out on me once, and I've been layering lots of guitar tracks in an attempt to find some ideas and bits that can be used, so I'm a very happy bunny :-)
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(06/30/09 07:05 AM)
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Well not tested yet on my side because I need to install Seven64 after I make a little space on my HDD.
But what I read is really great news and as MY16mlan work also as 01x do I see no objective reason the i88x to refuse operating under Seven64.
Thank you so much for your contribution, last weeks I was resigned to keep all my stuff with XP64 for coming years...
Now I see a nice future to my 01x+i88x+DigimaxFS setup
Next step for me is to build a Corei7 WinSeven64 DAW with plenty of DDR3 (at least 6GB but maybe 12), Sonar8 and Kontakt 3.5 64 bits....
No more compromise on realtime sampled Vsti's.
I'll keep my Core 2 duo 64bits laptop for recording sessions.
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(07/01/09 03:20 AM)
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What version of W7 64bit do you use? Home/Pro/Ult? Starter? I sure hope Home Premium will be enough to cover this.
01v96v2, i88x, AMD X2 3800+ 2GB, MacBook 1.8GHz 2GB, Cubase, Logic
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